Celebrities Who Found Love Outside of Hollywood
Sometimes, celebrities really are “just like us.” They get nervous around their crushes, they get turned down, and they find love through a combination of dumb luck and timing. And that includes finding someone they want to spend their life with who — dare we say it — isn’t a celebrity.
Here are 20 celebrities that prove lasting love can be found outside of the Hollywood scene.
Paul Rudd and Julie Yaeger
Together since: 1995, married in 2003.
How they met: When Paul Rudd rose to fame with “Clueless” in 1995, he decided to get a publicist. The day he got to New York, he went straight to his publicist’s office, where Julie Yaeger, his wife-to-be, worked. The couple now has two kids together, a son named Jack Sullivan and a daughter named Darby.
How they make it work: They do the work, and they’ve seen it done. In a 2011 interview with Elle, Rudd said, “I don’t think I’m going to sell a lot of tabloids. My wife and I have been together for 16 years. My parents were married my whole life until my father passed away a few years ago.”
Matt Damon and Luciana Barroso
Together since: 2003, married in 2005.
How they met: Damon and Barroso met in 2003 when she was working as a bartender in Miami, and he was filming “Stuck on You.” Barroso had one daughter from a previous marriage, Alexia, and the couple went on to have three more girls — Isabella, Gia and Stella.
How they make it work: They commit to spending enough time together. Damon told YourTango that the reason their marriage has worked as well as it has is because of the couple’s “two-week rule.” He said, “I'm not away for more than two weeks. I think you need to be with the person you love as much as possible. My wife is my soulmate. I don't like being apart from her."
Jeff Bridges and Susan Geston
Together since: 1975, married in 1977.
How they met: Geston was waiting tables in Paradise Valley, Montana, while Bridges was filming the 1975 movie, “Rancho Deluxe.” Geston supposedly turned Bridges down several times when he initially asked her out on dates. Once the couple got together, though, it was Bridges who was nervous about getting down on one knee. In a 2006 essay for Reader’s Digest, Bridges said he was a commitment-phobe in his 20s. “I thought it was a giant step toward death,” he wrote. “So, I did everything in my power to resist it — the idea was frightening to me, man.”
He later told OWN that the thought of losing Geston was worse than the idea of marriage: "I said, 'Oh God, I can't let this woman go,’ [I] had this vision of an old guy thinking there was this girl from Montana, man, why didn't I marry her?"
The couple married just five days after Bridges proposed on June 5, 1977.
How they make it work: They pay attention to the little things. While doing a “Reddit Ask Me Anything,” Bridges said, "The toughest thing about making movies is being apart from your family. One of the things I try my best to do is call my wife every day, to keep up to speed with what's going on in her life. And tell her what's going on with mine. Often, when you're apart from your loved one like that for so long, your connection kind of atrophies unless you keep engaged, even if it's small everyday kind of stuff."
Meryl Streep and Don Gummer
Together since: 1978, married that same year.
How they met: Streep lost her then-boyfriend and “Deer Hunter” co-star, John Cazale, to lung cancer in 1978, when she was 29. Shortly after, Streep was kicked out of the apartment she shared with Cazale. Her brother Harry came to help pack up, along with his friend, sculptor Don Gummer. The pair married six months later, in 1978, and have been together for four decades.
How they make it work: They just do the work. Streep once said the secret to her happy marriage is “goodwill and a willingness to bend — and to shut up every once in a while.”
Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Tasha McCauley
Together since: 2013, married in 2014.
How they met: Gordon-Levitt met his wife, founder of a robotics company, McCauley through mutual friends, he said in an interview with Howard Stern. Fast-forward to today, and the couple has two children together.
How they make it work: She stays out of the spotlight completely. The couple has kept a low profile since they started dating. According to an interview with Us Weekly, Gordon-Levitt said McCauley wanted to play no part in his fame: “You can imagine not wanting to have that kind of scrutiny.”
Jerry and Jessica Seinfeld (née Sklar)
Together since: 1999, married that same year.
How they met: Jessica, who was a PR executive for Tommy Hilfiger back in 1999, met Jerry at an exclusive health club in New York’s Upper West Side. Jessica was also married to a Broadway producer at the time of their meeting. The marriage fell apart shortly after the pair met, and their whirlwind romance has sustained a solid two decades, which also resulted in three children together.
How they make it work: Not surprisingly, they make each other laugh. According to an interview with Closer Weekly, Jerry said, “We always have fun and we laugh, and she has a great sense of humor. She’s very quick and sarcastic and all the qualities that I like. She’s very sharp. She catches all the wrongness … We just make each other cry and laugh all day.”
Lisa Kudrow and Michel Stern
Together since: Met (as friends) in 1989, married in 1995.
How they met: Stern, a French advertising exec, was dating Kudrow’s French roommate when they first met. That relationship didn’t work out, and when Kudrow bumped into him at her ex-roommate’s birthday, they started dating. They married in 1995, around the same time Kudrow’s career began to skyrocket with “Friends.” The couple has one son.
How they make it work: They give each other enough space but treat their union as a team. According to an interview with Glamour, Kudrow said, “I don't like to travel. So, if he wants to go on a golf trip, he goes. I think people get in trouble [when they assume they're] supposed to be one unit, in sync about everything. [Marriage] is like being on a team. Each teammate is different, but you have the same goal.”
Seth Meyers and Alexi Ashe
Together since: 2008, married in 2013.
How they met: This pair hit it off at former “Saturday Night Live” (SNL) star, Chris Kattan’s, wedding. Ashe’s sister worked in the set design department of SNL, while Ashe is actually a human rights attorney. Meyers said in an interview with YourTango in 2014: “I had a sense that she was the closest I'd ever met to someone who I could see myself with. Pretty much right away.”
How they make it work: They make time for each other and leave work at work. In the same interview, Meyers said, “We just have to find time for one another. But you know, my wife works at the Brooklyn District Attorney's office. She's dealing in a far darker world than I am. And she manages to come home and still be bright-eyed and positive. So, I have to do the same.”
George and Amal Clooney (née Amaluddin)
Together since: 2013, married in 2014.
How they met: They were introduced by a mutual friend at a party at Clooney’s house. “It's the wildest thing. A mutual friend of ours said, 'I'm stopping by, and can I bring my friend?' And I was like, 'Of course.' I got a call from my agent who called me and said, 'I met this woman who's coming to your house who you're gonna marry,’” George said in an interview with David Letterman on “My Next Guest Needs No Introduction.”
He added, “The funniest thing was my mom and dad were visiting, so my parents were there, and we just talked, and we stayed up all night talking. Then, you know, I got her email address because she was going to send me some pictures of my parents, and then, we started writing, and I didn't know if she wanted to go out with me. I just thought, you know, we were buddies."
How they make it work: They both do the work — especially now that they have parenting duties with their twins, Alexander and Ella. “We decided to be much more responsible, to avoid the danger,” he said in an interview with Paris Match.
Amal, an accomplished human rights lawyer, having defended clients like Julien Assange and Nadia Murad, a human trafficking survivor, has a job that comes with certain risks, to say the least. “Everything changes when you have two kids on how you have to protect them,” said George in the same interview. “My wife is taking the first case against ISIS to court, so we have plenty of issues — real, proper security issues — that we have to deal with on a fairly daily basis. We don’t want our kids to be targets, so we have to pay attention to that. But, you know, we also live our lives. We don’t hide in corners.”
Wanda and Alex Sykes (née Niedbalski)
Together since: 2006, married in 2008, the same year Sykes came out publicly.
How they met: Sykes spotted a woman on a ferry ride talking to a baby, and the image made her crave stability. “Something really said to me — like, audibly — ‘Wow, that’s what you need, Wanda,’” she said in an interview with The Guardian.
Sykes was remodeling her kitchen at the time, and as she talked about her quest for stability, her friends suggested she use something better than remodel talk to pick up women. To make a point, Sykes told the next person she met about her remodel and that person said they knew someone who dealt with granite countertops. The countertop seller? The woman from the ferry and Sykes’ wife of 11 years.
How they make it work: They come from pretty different backgrounds, so they communicate — and negotiate — on everything. And the result makes for some great comedy. For one thing, her wife and two children always fly coach in an effort to keep the kids grounded.
Vince Vaughn and Kyla Weber
Together since: 2008, married in 2010.
How they met: It was love at first sight when these two met at a mutual friend’s wedding. Weber was a successful realtor back in Canada, and Vaughn was absolutely smitten upon meeting her. “I met the best girl in the world,” he told Ellen DeGeneres on her show. “It gives you such a great purpose in your life. If I would've met her, I would've done it a long time ago, so I'm very, very happy.”
How they make it work: They do the work and Weber maintains a very low profile. In an article with Playboy, Vaughn said “Marriage is terrific, but it's the hardest thing I think you'll ever do. You have to really work at it and want it [...] You've been making decisions about what you're going to do on your own. Suddenly, you're making those decisions with somebody else. It's a much different journey.”
Jack Black and Tanya Hayden
Together since: Met (as high school peers) in 1990, married in 2006.
How they met: This duo met in school as students at Crossroads School in Santa Monica, California. Despite having a crush on Hayden, Black took 15 years to muster the courage to ask the talented multi-instrumentalist and artist out. A year later, they eloped.
How they make it work: They put in the time and show gratitude. The couple, who have two sons, also claims to have upped their intimacy levels after marriage. "I think the sex actually improves once you've sealed the deal," said Black in an interview with Entertainment Tonight. "It gets better. Maybe not for everyone, but for me, once we sealed the deal and we shut off all the exit holes and said, 'No, this is it. We're in it for life,' then we really let loose."
Cynthia Nixon and Christine Marinoni
Together since: 2004, married 2012.
How they met: Marinoni was an event organizer, so the two met through work and became friends initially. Nixon was, at the time, still with her high school sweetheart — a man — whom she’d met in 1988, had two children with and remained with until 2003. “I had never dated a woman before or even kissed a woman or anything,” she told the Radio Times in an interview.
How they make it work: It just does. The couple has a boy together now, but Nixon’s two other children get along equally well with Marinoni. “Maybe I’m just lucky, but I feel like Christine is so amazing with our kids — because they’re our kids. I feel like falling in love with her is part of being amazed at how she makes our family so much better,” Nixon said in the same interview.
Eddie Redmayne and Hannah Bagshawe
Together since: Met (as friends) in 2000, married in 2014.
How they met: Bagshawe, who is now a PR executive, met Redmayne way before he became famous when he was at Eton College. "Hannah was at a girls' school near Eton, and they invited some of our guys over to do a fashion show for charity," Redmayne explained in an interview with The Daily Mail. "I saw Hannah across the room at a party afterward, and she was very beautiful and very funny, and she loves the arts and theater just as I do, so we became friends."
How they make it work: They were friends first — for 12 years! Plus, being in PR, Bagshawe is no stranger to the strains of being married to a celebrity. In an interview with Femalefirst, Redmayne said, “I love being married. I feel so settled in my skin, so lucky to have the most wonderful, supportive, wife. I’m an ordered person, I need structure, and yet everything about what I do is the opposite. You have no control, and you’re subject to everyone else’s chaos. I sometimes wonder if something is continuously forcing me out of my comfort zone.”
Julianna Margulies and Keith Lieberthal
Together since: 2006, married 2007.
How they met: They both attended a friend’s dinner party in 2006. Margulies told Good Housekeeping that she said to him, “‘Listen, I’m going to be leaving in 10 minutes because I’m sure you’re an actor, and I have sworn off [your type].’ And he said, ‘Well, that’s good. I’m a lawyer.’ Then, he poured me a big glass of red wine, I stayed the entire dinner — and that was it.”
By 2007, they were married with a kid, whom Margulies was seven months pregnant with at the time of her wedding.
How they make it work: “I married a rock, who understands what I do without any resentment,” said Margulies in the same interview, adding that they stay connected through regular date nights, and she credits her husband for supporting her career and motherhood.
Aaron Paul and Lauren Parsekian
Together since: 2009, married 2013.
How they met: In possibly the trendiest way to meet someone today, the duo met at Coachella. According to an interview with GQ, Paul met Parsekian, a film director, producer and co-founder of Kind Campaign, in 2009. The pair started dating later that year. In 2012, Paul popped the question on a trip to Paris.
How they make it work: They communicate. In an interview with Elle, Paul said, “People get in fights because they don't communicate, because you don't want to hurt the other person [...] my wife and I do not argue. We communicate. We talk. But we've never fought in our entire relationship."
Jesse Tyler Ferguson and Justin Mikita
Together since: 2010, married 2013.
How they met: Just like the Seinfelds, these two met at the gym. In an interview with Us Weekly, Tyler Ferguson said, “I met my husband at the gym, but we always tell people it was through some mutual friends.”
Mikita, yet another attorney on this list, worked for the American Foundation for Equal Rights to overturn Prop 8.
How they make it work: They count the little things. In a 2014 interview with Ellen DeGeneres, Tyler Ferguson said nothing really changed after the couple exchanged vows: “It feels the same between Justin and I, but there was a moment where I went into the doctor’s office and I was filling out my form and I got to check the married box [...] It’s those little things that mean a lot to me.”
Marcia Cross and Tom Mahoney
Together since: 2005, married in 2006.
How they met: In her own words, she was “walking behind him at a flower shop, and I loved his voice.” When the sales lady asked if she wanted to leave her number, she did. Mahoney called her shortly after, and Cross said her “whole life got created that day.”
Shortly after the couple tied the knot, Cross said that they decided to skip the honeymoon and try in vitro after the wedding. They had twin girls via in vitro in 2007.
How they make it work: They make time for each other. In the same interview, Cross said, “[We] try to have a date night. I cherish my time with him — just going to a movie is so dreamy and exciting.”
Zoe Saldana and Marco Perego
Together since: Met (as friends) around 2008, married in 2013.
How they met: Actress Zoe Saldana and artist Marco Perego kept the start to their relationship very much under wraps, so much so that no one knew the two got married until months after they officially tied the knot. With rumors spreading that the two hardly knew each other, Saldana set the record straight, saying they had been friends for about five years. When they started dating, however, it only took a few months to get to the alter.
How they make it work: The two have three boys and a lot of mutual respect for each other’s work. They’re even working on an upcoming film project together, which allows the two to be creative together. “Besides working and building a business, I’m still creating art with my family,” the “Guardians of the Galaxy” star shared with Hola magazine.
Reese Witherspoon and Jim Toth
Together since: 2010, married in 2011.
How they met: Jim Toth is a talent agent at the Creative Arts Agency, where actress Reese Witherspoon is a client, but they didn’t meet in a professional setting. The two actually met at a friend’s party when Toth rescued Witherspoon from a drunk guy who was hitting on her.
How they make it work: Toth gives Witherspoon a lot of support, encouraging her to have more of a voice in Hollywood. "I get a lot of support from my husband,” she told Marie Claire. “He cares deeply about equality and always tells me, ‘Why wouldn’t you call the person in charge of a company and have a personal relationship with them?’ He’s encouraged me to be outspoken.”
Patrick Dempsey and Jillian Fink
Together since: 1997, married in 1999.
How they met: Actor Patrick Dempsey and Jillian Fink technically met in 1994 when Dempsey became a regular at Fink’s hair salon. After three years of haircuts, Dempsey learned she was single and asked her out.
How they make it work: Fink filed for a divorce in 2015 after 16 years of marriage with Dempsey, citing irreconcilable differences. But 10 months later, the couple called off the divorce and have been going strong ever since. Dempsey now spends more time with his wife and kids. “You have to work at everything,” he told Evening Standard. “And you cannot do everything. Something has to be sacrificed.”
Alec Baldwin and Hilaria Thomas
Together since: 2011, married in 2012.
How they met: Actor Alec Baldwin met yoga instructor Hilaria Thomas at a restaurant in New York. Baldwin made it clear upfront that he wanted children, and now eight years later, they have four together.
How they make it work: Baldwin likes to keep Thomas “off balance” with gestures like a five-year vow renewal ceremony and purchasing a new apartment he said on “The Ellen DeGeneres Show.” In reference to the renewal ceremony, Thomas told Extra. “Marriage is something I feel that you’re constantly working on. And it’s a wonderful thing to celebrate — which is what we’re doing.”
Christian Bale and Sibi Blazic
Together since: married in 2000.
How they met: Actor Christian Bale met Sibi Blazic when she was working as a personal assistant to actress Winona Ryder, one of Bale’s friends. The two eloped to Las Vegas when he was only 26 years old, despite the fact that he had never planned on getting married because of the experience he had with his own dysfunctional family, reported The Sydney Morning Herald.
How they make it work: Bale credits his wife’s strength for why their marriage works. After all, she was a stunt driver chasing Bale as Batman in the movie, “The Dark Knight.” His acceptance speech when he won the Critics Choice Award for Best Supporting Actor in “The Fighter” helped sum it up: “I truly believe you cant celebrate something like this without having your partner with you. She’s had to be married to so many different characters over our marriage. I know that it would be impossible to do it without her. She’s such a good, strong woman. I owe everything to her.”
Elizabeth Banks and Max Handelman
Together since: 1993, married in 2003.
How they met: These two are business partners at Brownstone Productions, but actress Elizabeth Banks did not meet her husband of 16 years, Max Handelman, through work. In fact, they met at a fraternity party when they were both students at the University of Pennsylvania.
How they make it work: Banks says the two balance each other out and have a lot of mutual respect for one another in marriage and in business. "We have a good yin and yang. I'm a passionate artist, and he's a very even-keeled politician," Banks told Us Weekly.
Ellen Pompeo and Chris Ivery
Together since: 2003, married in 2007.
How they met: Believe it or not, actress Ellen Pompeo met music producer Chris Ivery in a grocery store in Los Angeles. Both being from Boston, they shared a commonality that felt like they were “meant to be,” Pompeo told People in 2006.
How they make it work: Pompeo credits her husband’s sense of security as a key reason for why they’re still together. “My husband is a fantastic guy and very, very secure,” she told Queen Latifah in 2013. “I think that’s probably why I’m so into him — because he’s got so much swag. He’s just so secure that nothing shakes him."
Gal Gadot and Yaron Varsano
Together since: 2006, married in 2008.
How they met: Looking to “find themselves,” actress Gal Gadot met her husband, businessman and real estate developer Yaron Varsano, at a sort of party in the Israeli desert, where yoga, learning about chakras and eating healthy were the name of the game. “We didn’t exactly find ourselves there, but we found each other,” Gadot told Glamour in 2016.
How they make it work: Their marriage is no-nonsense. In fact, Varsano told her on their second date that he was serious about her and planned on proposing within two years, which is exactly what he did. “Both of us said, ‘No games. Let’s just be honest and keep it simple,’” she said in the same Glamour article.
Natalie Portman and Benjamin Millepied
Together since: 2009, married in 2012.
How they met: Actress Natalie Portman owes a lot of her dance work in the movie “Black Swan” to her husband, Benjamin Millepied, who was the choreographer on set when they first met.
How they make it work: Even though the two have worked together in the past, they like to maintain their independence. “Ultimately, I think as a couple, you automatically learn from one another and hopefully feed each other in ways that are positive,” Millepied told Vanity Fair. “But I think, work ... we keep very separate. I think that’s important.”
Conan O’Brien and Liza Powel
Together since: 2000, married in 2002.
How they met: Advertising copywriter Liza Powel caught the late-night comedian’s eye when she appeared on his show in an advertising skit that involved the company she was currently working for as a senior copywriter. On many occasions, O’Brien called it love at first sight.
How they make it work: As you can imagine, humor is a part of why he fell for Powel. While he said her beauty initially caught his eye, more importantly, she is very intelligent and funny.
Chris O’Donnell and Caroline Fentress
Together since: married in 1997.
How they met: Actor Chris O’Donnell and his elementary school teacher wife, Caroline Fentress, have been together for more than 20 years now, after first meeting as students at Boston College. They have five children together.
How they make it work: O’Donnell surprised himself when he decided to get married at age 26, but being true to himself is something he doesn’t regret. “My dad got married at 35, so I figured I'd go down that road — it sounded like a pretty good program to me," said O'Donnell. "But, I met the right girl, and that really was the deciding factor. Looking back, I think you [have] to be true yourself and know who you are."
Jon Bon Jovi and Dorothea Hurley
Together since: Met in 1980 (as friends), married in 1989.
How they met: The first couple on this list to be high school sweethearts, musician Jon Bon Jovi met his wife, Dorothea Hurley, in their hometown of Sayreville, N.J., when Hurley was dating Bon Jovi’s friend at the time. The friend enlisted in the Navy, and Bon Jovi quickly swooped in. Even then, the duo didn’t tie the knot until the height of Bon Jovi’s fame when they took a secret trip to Las Vegas during a stop on his New Jersey Syndicate Tour.
How they make it work: Bon Jovi said that the growth they’ve experienced together as a couple is what’s kept them strong all these years. “We grew equally and not in opposite directions,” he said.
Julia Roberts and Daniel Moder
Together since: 2000, married in 2002.
How they met: Actress Julia Roberts met her cinematographer husband, Daniel Moder, when they were both working on the set of “The Mexican.”
How they make it work: While the two like to keep their marriage private, Roberts told Extra in 2015 that the secret to their happiness as a couple is “kissing.”
Jon Stewart and Tracey McShane
Together since: 1997, married in 2000.
How they met: A production assistant set up actor Jon Stewart and his wife Tracey McShane, an author and former veterinary technician, on a blind date. The two were married about four years later and both legally changed their last names to Stewart in 2001.
How they make it work: Oprah called their marriage the “real deal” after witnessing the way the two looked at each other and spoke to each other when they were hosting her for dinner.
Ken Jeong and Tran Ho
Together since: married in 2004.
How they met: Actor Ken Jeong, who is also a physician, met his wife, family physician Tran Ho, in a very fitting way — at a happy hour for doctors in Los Angeles.
How they make it work: While working on the show, “Community,” Jeong said he was living the dream because of the work-life balance he had. “I have my own show. I get to work in Hollywood on my own project. If I can still make it back home by 8 p.m. to put the kids in bed then, wow, I am having my cake and eating it, too,” he told Life of Dad. “Then, I get to hang out with my wife for the rest of the night. That is my dream. That is all I really wanted.”
Jimmy Fallon and Nancy Juvonen
Together since: 2007, married three months later in August 2007.
How they met: Late-night funnyman Jimmy Fallon met his producer wife, Nancy Juvonen, on the set of “Fever Pitch” in 2005. But they didn’t start dating until she was officially introduced to Fallon at her own birthday party in 2007 by longtime-friend Drew Barrymore.
How they make it work: The two live very independent lives, even often living in separate places. Fallon typically spends his time during the week in New York City, while Juvonen and their two daughters live nearby in the Hamptons.
Eric Bana and Rebecca Gleeson
Together since: 1995, married in 1997.
How they met: While working on the television series, “Full Frontal,” actor Eric Bana met his wife, publicist Rebecca Gleeson, who took his last name when they tied the knot.
How they make it work: The key to their marriage is laughter. “My wife and I really, really like each other as well as love each other,” said Bana. “We definitely laugh together every day. And I don’t mean chuckle — I can make her really laugh.”
Tina Fey and Jeff Richmond
Together since: 1993, married in 2001.
How they met: When the two were working at The Second City comedy club in Chicago, actress Tina Fey met her now-husband Jeff Richmond, who works as a composer, director and producer.
How they make it work: Even though the two have worked a lot together (Richmond was also the music director for “Saturday Night Live”), the two seem to have a good work-life balance. “I think that we complement each other nicely because we’re not in the same room all day,” Fey told Readers Digest. “There’ll be whole days we’ll be at work and not see each other until the ride home.”
George Lucas and Mellody Hobson
Together since: 2006, married in 2013.
How they met: It is, perhaps, unfair to call Mellody Hobson “regular” — she is the former chairman of DreamWorks animation and the president and co-CEO of Ariel Investments. So, it goes without saying that their meeting at a business conference in 2006 wasn’t exactly out of the blue. Lucas and Hobson dated for seven years before he popped the question.
How they make it work: They’re both successful in their own right and proud of each other’s accomplishments. In an interview with Arianna Huffington, Hobson said that the two thrive on the mutual respect they have for each other. “We really do appreciate each other’s unique gifts, and I think [we appreciate] that idea of just being happy for each other, and more importantly, being happy to have found each other,” she said.
Oprah Winfrey and Stedman Graham
Together since: 1987, with no plans to marry — the only couple on this list that has technically not tied the knot.
How they met: According to Harper’s Bazaar, Winfrey met Graham in 1986 at a charity event in Chicago. He had just founded the nonprofit, Athletes Against Drugs, and she was soon to start her talk show.
How they make it work: They know each other individually, and they know each other together. Graham did an interview with Ellen DeGeneres earlier this year, and she asked if it was hard to be in a relationship with someone like Winfrey. He answered: “The thing about our relationship is that I want the best for her. I’m dedicated to her happiness [...] And so, for me, I’ve been able to find my own happiness — and define my own skills, my own talents, my own abilities, and I’m satisfied with that.”
He added, “The combination — when you have a good partner, who’s able to self-actualize their own potential, and you’re able to self-actualize yours, then one and one equals six.”